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December 30, 2004

Care and feeding ()

by fluffy at 5:11 PM
My mom pointed me to this great article: Caring For Your Introvert, by Jonathan Rausch.

Yeah, sounds about right.

Comments

#4133 Ranieri (unregistered) 12/30/2004 03:03 pm
Heh, thanks. I need to mail that to a few people now Wink

The funny thing is that I was convinced I was some sort of a rarity in this sense, and it was only until i stumbled on writing such as this, and the descriptions of the introverted MB types, that I realised it's way more common than people let on.
#4135 12/31/2004 02:30 am No wanking here.
I suppose this common misconception has to do with our being more intelligent, more reflective, more independent, more level-headed, more refined, and more sensitive than extroverts.


Yeah, I'm plenty introverted, most of the crowd round these parts is (see K5 myers briggs articles & polls) but whats the point? I think this is the description somebody made of the INTP I found a few years ago, and yeah, it's fun to read, fits me pretty fairly. Not terribly productive though.
#4136 12/31/2004 08:15 am
I took it more as subtle irony than wanking. The whole point of the article, to me, was to point out that extroverts aren't better, just different, but since they're more visible they set the social norms for what people consider to be "better."

In the meantime, it depresses me greatly that I had to add the word 'wanking' to the OSX spelling dictionary.
#4138 12/31/2004 09:44 am good stuff
I'd send it to my in-laws, but I doubt they'd get it.

It's always amazed me how clueless most extraverts are about it.
#4143 Skywise (unregistered) 12/31/2004 04:47 pm
I think the correct term is "contemplative" not "introvert" and the connotations that brings with it (like anti-social) there's a huge difference. I find "introverts" to be far more moral/ethical than "extroverts" who seem to have to act out their thoughts and feelings to figure out if they're "right" or not.
#4144 12/31/2004 06:54 pm Jung
Reading the original Jung on the subject of personality is illuminating. Introversion/Extroversion is just one of three axes, all of which are in some sense external versus internal. (Meyers-Briggs added a fourth axis.)

"Contemplative" would be on a different axis, probably "intuitive" in the Meyers-Briggs sense. In other words, someone who prefers internal thought to external senses.

INT? is the most internal of the Meyers-Briggs personalities. ESF? is the most external of the personalities.
#4145 12/31/2004 07:14 pm
I was kind of wondering about that, with the specifics on that page thadk linked to.
#4146 12/31/2004 08:39 pm INTP
I means introvert, which is how you deal with people. N means "iNtuitive", which is how you prefer to generate information. (From inside, versus "Sensing" personalities, who perfer to take information from external sources.) T means "Thinking, which is how you prefer to process information. (As opposed to "Feeling" types, who prefer to process based on feelings, external to the concious mind.)

?NT? types tend to go for software, because they like rational thought and abstraction. ?ST? types are more the electrical engineer types, liking concrete rational thoughts. ?NF? types are more artistic, liking internal abstractions and feelings. ?SF? types are more manager types Smile

On each of these, the external variant outnumbers the internal variant by around three to one in the general population, which is why INTPs are so rare.

(P vs. J has to do with how organized you like things. IIRC, P types kinda take things as they go while J types like everything rigidly planned. They are about equal in the general population. This axis is the biggest change to Jung's original thoughts on personality.

(BTW: real psychologiest don't claim people are strictly pigeonhold by these metrics and instead talk about tendencies. No one scores perfectly INTP or anything else. I tend to score INTP, but am almost exactly at the midpoint on the P-J axis.)
#4147 12/31/2004 08:49 pm
Er, I know what the Myers-Briggs type codes mean. I just meant about the Jungian axes.

FWIW, I usually test with pretty firm I, N, and P, with near-borderline T.
#4148 Skywise (unregistered) 01/01/2005 12:12 am Hmm...
I just retested myself on one of those internet personality tests and came up with INFJ: "They are, in fact, sometimes mistaken for extroverts because they appear so outgoing and are so genuinely interested in people -- a product of the Feeling function they most readily show to the world. On the contrary, INFJs are true introverts," So I guess I really have no room to talk. Smile
#4150 01/01/2005 01:17 am You know...
A lot of times, I feel guilty for not acting as sociable as other "normal" people do. It's easy to forget you're an introvert in a world full of extroverts
#4151 01/01/2005 08:14 am Sorry
Just fell into Cliff Clavin mode there for a second.

I assumed you were pretty close to an INTP. Isn't everybody?
#4152 01/01/2005 10:46 am
Everyone who has a weblog with a section entitled "geekery" is an INTP by default, I think.
#4154 Skywise (unregistered) 01/01/2005 11:09 pm
I've tested INTP before. But I've had to spend a week with the parents (Fluf-meister can probably relate) plus I've been reevaluating my personal priorities so I suspect it's having an effect on how I was answering the questions.
I'm not a big believer in personality tests for just those reasons. While there's some truth in the modeling of the personality processes I find them about as accurate as horoscopes sometimes. (Because I'm a Gemini so I'm always bouncing around switching viewpoints! Smile )
#4155 01/01/2005 11:58 pm
Funny, I thought we Geminis didn't believe in that astrology nonsense.
#4160 Skywise (unregistered) 01/03/2005 11:08 am
We don't. But we're gemini's y'see, so we change our minds often. Sorry, it's the way the metaverse works!

(I've always wondered how Astrology deals with premature births. I was born a month early, so does that make me a Gemini or a Cancer? And does it really matter?)
#4173 01/07/2005 06:39 am Well, I've always thought that there's some truth in it.
There's truth in astrology as far as being born in the middle of winter means that your early experiences are substantially different to someone born in summer. That's about how far I'd go.