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February 4, 2008

A confession ()

by fluffy at 8:42 AM
After all these years, I still don't think optical mice are really all that great.

Well, okay, they're still better than optomechanical ones, but they still get gunky, and they're too lightweight so even the weight and/or springienss of their own cord makes them move around too easily, and the optical sensors still get confused way too easily on too many different surface types, like the smooth black plastic of the mouse section on my keyboard tray at home (which isn't designed to accommodate any additional mousing surface), but even textured fabric mousepads still have problems since often the weave is so regular that sometimes the sensor can't really tell which direction it's going (sometimes it thinks I've moved the mouse 10 times as far in the exact opposite direction, for example).

Plus, I still miss being able to use inertia to 'whip' the cursor around. There was something very nice about being able to just rev the ball while picking the mouse up, and then putting it back down when the cursor was in a certain vicinity. That's more useful on windowing systems which support point-to-focus, though.

If it weren't for roller/ball gunk problems I'd probably still be using an optomechanical mouse, or a trackball (though as much as I loved my Logitech Marble Wheel, the current models really suck and even the old ones make my right thumb cramp too much now).

I guess of all the different technologies people have tried, pure-optical mice are the least-crappy though. Active-tablet mice (e.g. Wacom) are annoying to use (since they're still active even a cm or so away from the surface, and the direction of motion is relative to the tablet rather than to the mouse), touchpads are just plain irritating (they can be precise OR fast but not both), and I'm glad that the two-tilted-wheel mice that a few manufacturers were messing with back in the early 90s never caught on because holy cow were those crappy. (Does anyone else even remember those? I know that Digital included them with some of their DECstations, and IIRC the mice themselves were manufactured by Honeywell. The principle was that there were two discs on the bottom of the mouse, one tilted to the left and one tilted to the back, so that in theory one wheel would only respond to horizontal motion and the other would only respond to vertical, but in practice both ended up just basically doing whatever they wanted depending on the kind of surface they were on.)

Still, the mouse as we know it today hasn't had any significant change in over 10 years. That's not necessarily a bad thing, of course, except that it was still just an incremental improvement over the design from the previous 15 years, and the current ones aren't really any better than the first ones (while the optomechanical mice underwent continuous improvement over their lifetime). I guess laser mice might be even better than LED mice, but those are still something of a niche item, and it seems like they'd still have the same general problems.

Maybe the next generation mouse will be something which uses MEMS to measure acceleration and a simple proximity sensor to determine whether it's on a surface or not. Then you could easily have the exact feel of an old optomechanical mouse without any of the maintenance problems. (Though it seems I'm not the first to think of that.)

Comments

#10427 02/04/2008 04:45 pm
I found mouse inertia to be a problem for Unreal Tournament. My game improved noticeably when I switched from mechanical to optical.

In theory it could be simulated in firmware/software, anyway.
#10428 02/04/2008 07:04 pm
Well, sure, but the inertia is just a minor point, really. The main thing is that the sensors just still aren't all that good at telling the difference between small motions, huge motions, and picking the mouse up, depending on the kind of surface you're using.
#10429 02/04/2008 07:12 pm
I rememberr those DEC two-wheel mice, but I didn't use one enough to notice the problems. The first optical mice I used were on Sun IPC workstations and relied on those special reflective mouse pads with the horizontal and vertical stripes on them. The lab bolted the pads to the desks to keep them from getting lost or stolen, which might have put them in a bad position for some people but I found them to be pretty OK.

Later when I was working at a game company, the same kind of mice were very popular with the artists, I guess because they behave more predictably. I guess a tablet would be even better but at the time (1996-7) they were pretty expensive and the company was so disorganized that people generally had to buy their own equipment.

My main problem with modern optical mice is the electrical noise they emit, which leaks into the audtio output on my desktop machine at work, but I guess Ultra 10s are particularly miserable in that respect.
#10430 02/04/2008 07:27 pm
The external optical pad kind were annoying for the same reasons as active-tablet mice, PLUS the surface always got scratched up (mostly by people who thought it "looked cool" and decided to use their regular optomechanical mouse on it).

The problems with the DEC two-wheel mice were that there were two moving parts to get gunked up, and that pushing against a slanted wedge still makes it rotate a bit, so it still felt like the cursor had a bit of a mind of its own. Plus, the mice themselves tended to be very lightweight so they had a lot of the same cable/inertia problems as the flimsier pure-optical mice of today.
#10431 02/05/2008 04:29 am
For me, it's all about the optical trackball. It took a little getting used to, but once I did, it's godly. Most accurate, comfortable pointing device I've ever used.
#10432 02/05/2008 07:25 am
Neillparatzo:
I found mouse inertia to be a problem for Unreal Tournament. My game improved noticeably when I switched from mechanical to optical.


Back when I had one that worked, for FPS games I really liked a trackball. It had easy fast movement but also good fine control. Stopped working, though.
-bill
#10442 02/09/2008 02:42 am
So I'm using an old optomechanical mouse for now. Oddly enough, this one seems to be designed in such a way that picking it up instantly brakes the ball, so there's no inertial flicking. Oh well. It's still tracking a hell of a lot better than the fairly new optical one I was using until just now.
#10458 TastyGroundhog (unregistered) 02/14/2008 05:06 pm trackball optical
MS's trackball optical is the best ever! They don't seem to last forever, I am on my third one in 6 years. And the major retailers have stopped carrying it but IMO it can't be beat.
#10459 02/14/2008 05:23 pm
I never liked the shape of MS's, or all the extraneous buttons they seem intent on putting all over the place. Logitech's first-generation 'marble wheel' was awesome but the current ones suck (the buttons are too close together).