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February 9, 2010

Car talk ()

by fluffy at 11:52 PM
So I'm thinking about getting a car again. Even though I'm pretty sure it's not worthwhile.

Lately I've been going down to the South Bay rather often, mostly to mingle with one particular close friend. I usually take BART and Caltrain, but that has a few pretty big issues:

  • It takes me about two hours each way
  • Caltrain only runs once an hour on the weekend
  • The last train North leaves at 9:10 on Sunday
On the plus side, it's only about $10 each way. Assuming I do this twice a month, that's basically $40/month for transportation, but with a lot of bother and very little flexibility.

The next obvious option is Zipcar, which is pretty handy and flexible (if you book a car far enough in advance), but the cheapest car near me costs $70/day, meaning that going down for one day every other week costs $140/month, and if I stay overnight that's more like $280/month. Plus, it's not really set up for full-day rentals — it's really more for quick spur-of-the-moment things like shopping trips and the like (which I basically never end up using it for, since it ends up being too much of a bother for that sort of thing anyway unless it's something I really must do).

Another obvious option is Enterprise. It's quite a lot cheaper, at $20/day + gas (so probably around $100/month for my use case), but the rigamarole around pickup and dropoff of the car makes it approach BART+Caltrain in terms of inconvenience. Plus, it requires even more planning.

So, finally, that leaves just buying my own car. Based on a quick quote from Esurance it looks like insurance will cost me around $45/month (assuming I get a used 2000 Honda Civic sedan). I wouldn't drive much so gas and maintenance would probably be around $10-20/month. Registration and smog checks work out to around $3-$4/month. My parking is free. So we're looking at around $70/month for owning a car, which would also lower the bar to taking quick trips various places (instead of putting things off for several months until I get around to something). It also makes it much easier for me to consider doing live shows more often when I can actually take my instruments places, for whatever that's worth.

Right now I do enjoy having a parking spot available for friends when they come over, and for my sister whenever she goes out of town for a week or two, but for the most part my spot just goes completely unused (well, aside from people parking illegally in it, which happens rather a lot). When friends come over they usually find street parking anyway, and my sister is resourceful enough to have others take care of her car for her too.

So, when looking at it all written out, it seems like buying a car actually isn't that bad of an idea after all.

I'm sure there's something I'm not considering fully, and there's probably some Really Good Reason for me to not get a car after all (I mean, aside from smugness and so on), but as much as I like being car-free and having to really pay attention to my transportation (and naturally limiting my environmental impact as a result) and so on, it doesn't seem as if getting a car would really make that much of a difference to me, economically or environmentally. I'd still probably take BART and Muni for commuting and in-town hanging out and the like (since that's still cheaper and convenient enough, and anyway parking in the city is horrible).

Also, I'm tired of being the burden who always needs to be driven everywhere when it comes to out-of-town day trips and the like.

In any case, if I do decide to buy a car, it will definitely be something used. And probably a convertible, because California driving is just better that way.

Comments

#12851 02/10/2010 12:59 am
Erm, what about the cost of the actual car itself?

Then there's all the bits that go wrong with it. Consider $1000 - $2000 a year for repairs / consumables (tyres etc) for a 10 year old car.

Car are rolling money pits.
#12852 02/10/2010 06:38 am Whatever you do
Make sure you don't have that car delivered UPS.


What about a motorcycle?


Gedvondur
#12853 02/10/2010 07:12 am
hulver:
Erm, what about the cost of the actual car itself?

I have plenty of money in the bank, and I'd be looking at an older used car.

Then there's all the bits that go wrong with it. Consider $1000 - $2000 a year for repairs / consumables (tyres etc) for a 10 year old car.

That hasn't been my experience with the other used cars of that age that I've had, but maybe I've been lucky.

Gedvondur:
What about a motorcycle?


Motorcycles suck for basically everything I use a vehicle for, except for the simple case of going down to the South Bay, but then that gets into "OMG I am going to die a horrible death" territory.
#12854 02/10/2010 08:45 am
My experience is that if you have a Honda or Toyota, that $1000/year doesn't apply. When I finally got rid of my Accord 19 years after buying it, it was costing me closer to $400/year in repairs.

Of course, with the Toyota, you have a small chance of dying in terror after smashing into something at 120 mph, but hey, nothing's perfect.
#12855 02/10/2010 08:53 am
$275/month parking pretty much kills any plans I might have towards car ownership.
#12856 02/10/2010 09:41 am
Yeah, that's how much my parking spot at my last apartment cost, which is the main reason why I ended up selling it after I moved here (and being a relatively new car, insurance was pretty expensive), and it was costing me $400/month for something I basically never drove. But I also hardly ever needed to drive at that time.
#12857 02/10/2010 10:25 am
I hate doing "thats all it costs right?" calculations and finding unexpected costs the hard way. For example any trip downtown with a car is bound to take an unexpected amount of money like parking, tickets or damage (my brother got his car window smashed and lost a bag of stuff on my block.) Tickets are a bitch. Don't forget time for maintenance, repairs or breakdowns can really screw up your week.

Zipcar is amazing and my favorite way to drive but it is best for short local trips or very occasional (like less than once a month) day rental. Enterprise is also excellent for those occasional trips. Bike + bart/caltrain is lots more flexible than just the train, and really fun.

It is really handy you already have a parking space so that already covers the biggest problem with cars in SF.
#12858 02/10/2010 11:07 am
Having a working bike again would be useful, but that is more or less orthogonal. Again, I don't really plan to use a car for driving around San Francisco. It's more for trips out of town, like down the peninsula and the like.