Do I have any dang readers?

Sometimes it's hard to tell. I hate to be all "wah post in the forum" and stuff, but could people please post in the forum? (You don't even have to register or anything, in case that wasn't obvious.)

What's good? Bad? Indifferent? Is the story too obvious, too obtuse? What aspects should I focus on? I have a very clear path in mind for what's going to happen — and I want to know I'm on the right one.

Also, what about site things? Obviously I changed the name of the sub-site, and I've also tinkered with some navigation things. Is there anything else I can do to make things a bit better? Should I drop the global "jump to beginning" button since it no longer really makes any sense? (Should it just go to the series list?)

How can I help you to enjoy this?

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09/24/2007 08:39 am 
hey, i'm reading it. i'm getting it through my rss feed. it's very interesting. i have been unsure what's going on, of course, but it appears that you meant to do that, you know, introducing oddities and explaining them later, suspense and such. story? continue on as you are.
-bill
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09/24/2007 06:05 pm 
Well can I at least get some speculation or whatever? It's a bit annoying that even the shittiest of the shitty webcomics seem to have huge rabid fanbases who like to vibrantly discuss stuff and so on. This is all Web 2.0 which is supposed to be a dialog and whatever.
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09/26/2007 12:40 ammental health treatment in the 24½ century 
I'm reading it too, and I'm pleasantly surprised at the number of recent updates.

I guess I'm mostly desperate for solid information on the setting, since that's a huge hole in my understanding of where the story is likely to go. Ben Riley's The Midlands has a whole "encyclopædia", i.e. wiki devoted to the story world(s). I don't know that Unity needs anything on that scale, but an expository aside wouldn't bother me.

As to speculation, well, the story so far has left a trail of exploded theories behind it. Most recently I'd thought that all the gibberish was due to Juni and the Machine Juni getting out of synch, but that I just got distracted by the vague similarities to a story from The Mind's I. The incident does put the series title in a new light, anyway.

I guess I'm overly conservative in following the plot - it didn't even occur to me that the green fellow in the next-most-recent strip might be Tamu. I'm half-expecting that there's going to be a complete shift in the frame of reference, but optimistically, I'm willing to believe that there is actually some relevant problem concerning the other characters, and that they're reacting to the situation as themselves and not as the instruments of some experiment.

Also, I can't read "Tamu" without thinking of Texas Agriculture and Mining University.
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09/26/2007 01:35 am 
I have a text file with a bunch of notes about the setting. My hope is to eventually actually explore the stuff I've worked out rather than it just being Juni's perception getting toyed with.

I haven't decided whether the POV will ever shift. I think it'd have to eventually (or else it'll be The Sam and Juni Show forever) but I haven't planned anything out to that effect. One issue that I'm running into while things are converging is that some potential backstory elements have been negated simply by characters knowing things. (As an example, one idea I had for the reason behind Juni's insanity was discovering that they were in a space ship, but then there was that whole sequence with Juni perceiving a minor hull breach. However, that WAS me consciously setting up a couple of future plotlines, and some of it ends up contributing to the backstory that's gelling. So it's a bit hit-or-miss.)
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09/26/2007 01:42 am 
Incidentally, sometimes I do script things in advance but then I usually end up skipping a whole bunch, or rearranging it as I go. This is what I'd originally written for what eventually turned into the last two weeks of updates (with machine-Juni's name changed so as not to reveal too much about what I was thinking for further future stuff):

[outside the room]
Juni: It's... it's gone now. The smells--- the sounds, words, coming from that...
Sam: (holding Juni) Shh. Tamu's on his way. Just calm down...

Juni: ...was like my own thoughts, out of place...
Sam: The sounds? You could understand them?
Juni: ...chaotic...
Sam: I like to listen to it. I find it soothing.

Juni: [bolting for the lab door] It needs me.
Sam: JUNI! WAIT!

---

[Juni locks the door behind itself]
Sam [through the door]: JUNI! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!
[random chatter coming from the system]

demiJuni: [chatter]
Juni: [touching the console] Uh... uh, hi, are you listening? Can you see me?
demiJuni: [silent, empty box]

Juni: Hi, uh, Juni, um... this is a bit strange.
demiJuni: This is a new one. Simulating another me? False video? Hallucination?
Juni: I'm pretty sure I'm real.
demiJuni: Well my perception is that you can understand me at least. Great. Go away.

---

demiJuni: Square root of happiness?
Juni: Love? What? Why are you asking me-
demiJuni: Hm, well, good enough. I'm desperate for communication at least. Even if you are a hallucination.

Juni: I'm not a- wait, Sam doesn't come here?
demiJuni: He just comes in to listen, he never talks to me. He's a big stinky jerk poopyface.
Juni: Is that your pet name for him?

demiJuni: Come on, at least be consistent when you lie about being me.
Juni: I... I was joking. I don't know any--
demiJuni: Oh, a memory wipe. That far-gone. Spectacular!
demiJuni: Fine. We can talk.

---

Juni: So you're that nagging voice in the back of my head?
demiJuni: What are you talking about?
Juni: When I'm thinking, the little voice pops in-
demiJuni: That's the sound of your consciousness. And yours is a... no, I'm a copy of yours? Um. That's how you can understand me, Oh, here comes Sam.

Sam: [kicks the door in, with other agents] JUNI, STAY RIGHT-
demiJuni: say::Placebo marmalade
Juni: Placebo marmalade

demiJuni: Interesting...
Sam: Juni?! You- our code phrase...?
Juni: Um...
demiJuni: Yes.
Juni: Yes?
Sam: Stand down, agents.

---

Sam: Did you get your memory--
demiJuni: He's slow on the uptake, isn't he?
Juni: LIke he knows what's going on. I don't either.

Sam: Who doesn't know... Juni, what are you talking about?
Juni: I'm talking to Juni.
demiJuni: Tell him I love him.
Sam: What-
Juni: It loves you.

demiJuni: And tell him I hate him.
Juni: No, I'm not saying that.
Sam: Saying it loves me?
demiJuni: Because it's true?
Juni: No, because it's confusing!
Sam: Seriously!

--

Juni: All this time I was in here and you never came in to talk to me?!
Sam: What? No, you were outside, I was trying to talk to you THERE.
demiJuni: I was so lonely!

Juni: No, not me, *me*, that me. Was in here. It was so lonely, and it's been alone for cycles--
demiJuni: Well it's hard to tell really.
Juni: Quiet. Anyway, so I was sitting here alone and I just needed talking to--

Sam: You're making no sense. I'm taking you to see--
Juni: No! I'm trying to explain! I-- this simulation, I mean... it just needed you.
demiJuni: Actually the sight of him makes me wish I could vomit right now.
Juni: ... Oh. Or not.
Sam: Yes, definitely psych time.

---

[outside the room]
Juni: So do you understand now?
Sam: Okay, so you can understand what the simulation is saying.
Juni: Yes.
Sam: And the simulation was dreadfully lonely.
Juni: YES.

Sam: And you're saying I should have spent time with it.
Juni: Yes.
Sam: Instead of the real you out here, who I actually had a chance of understanding.
Juni: Y-- wait, no. What?

---

Sam: Juni, something you saw drove you completely insane. That backup is just a way of keeping your memories. As soon as we can get them back into you, it's getting deleted.

Sam: When you started talking nonsense I thought I'd lost you again.

Juni: It wasn't nonsense.
Sam: Maybe not to you. Come on. Psych eval.

---

[[cut to psychiatrist office]]
Tamu: Your partner has appraised me of the situation, but I would like to hear it from your perspective.
Juni: Sam... well, after he zapped me, I woke up, and I heard a... another set of thoughts in my head. It was confusing but I figured out they were coming from the simulation of me... but Sam couldn't hear it talking, so he probably thought I was going crazy when I was trying to talk to both of them.

Tamu: And this voice, what did it sound like?
Juni: It wasn't a voice, really. It was more... thoughts, popping into my head. There was no sound, just words.

Tamu: Ah, so that is why you seemed to change sentences without any pause. You were responding to these thoughts?
Juni: Yes. I know this sounds crazy... but I am positive they were coming from that room.

--

Tamu: As I understand it, you've been under a lot of stress recently. You had some sort of trauma, yes?
Juni: Of course. Why are you pretending you don't know, Tamu?

Tamu: ... Well, then. How did you know who I was?
Juni: It's pretty obvious considering everything that's happened over the last few days.

Tamu: So you don't have your memory back?
Juni: Nope.


I wrote that quite some time ago and it was so boring and talky. Also lately I've been trying to make the strips at least a little humorous (of course most of the humor goes into the popup text).

Some of that (or a really early draft of such) is actually semi-visible on the already-outdated creation process document.
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09/26/2007 03:28 am 
Hey, yeah, the bit in the creation process page is pretty recognizable. Interesting that the fragment you captured for that made it into the strip in some form. I guess I don't have a big problem with talkiness in comics; The Midlands can be monstrously talky at times, to the extent that the text has is separated from the art (but still part of the images - alas, eyestrain.)

As for the lines that didn't make it into the strip; until I learn differently I'm going to imagine that Juni was traumatized when it jacked in and saw the god of internets.

I'm mostly boggled that Sam, Tamu et al were able to make a copy of Juni's memories (that is some pretty miraculous technology) and didn't think that the copy would have a problem with being a disembodied mind. But maybe I'm misunderstanding.
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09/26/2007 08:36 am 
Well it was pretty much a last-ditch effort at saving someone important (and their important memories).

I don't like talky comics because they're freaking boring to draw.
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09/26/2007 09:25 pm 
Well, now that I'm not quite as busy as I was, I'm sure I'll be watching your site more often. By the way, I love the new work you've been doing!
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09/26/2007 09:43 pm 
The easiest way to watch it is via RSS or LiveJournal. I don't expect to always keep up 3 updates per week... I work in bursts.
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09/27/2007 06:48 am 
That's understandable. I'll probably just check every few days anyways, and try keeping something going in the forum at the same time. Razz
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09/27/2007 10:29 am 
The storyline was clearer in the talky recap...
-bill
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09/27/2007 04:08 pm 
I know.
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09/27/2007 07:12 pm 
Though it's also worth mentioning that I don't consider the original scripts canonical, and one reason I opted to keep things more open was so that I could, well, keep things more open.
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09/29/2007 10:18 pm 
I read it, and that is all that matters. Haha.

As far as input, what I think you need to focus on is world building. I mean it takes place in a "constructed ecosystem" but all that has really come up is a beach and some trees. Is there a full spectrum? Is there a mini Mojave dessert out there somewhere?

The majority of the backgrounds/settings are mainly minimalist, but they don't have a unifying design. A unified design for all the equipment would help flesh out the rest of the world, even if we were only seeing it one room at a time. Small details too, like photos of famous landmarks of wherever this takes place, newspapers, water fountaints, electrical outlets, light fixtures, waste baskets etc. Hell, sweeping vistas of the outside world through big ol bay windows! Since your comic is about non-humans in a sci-fi setting, the small details are arguably way more important that if this was just about normal humans in a mundane setting; the reader could fill in a lot more of the blanks with past experiences. Since none of us readers have ever been on a space station populated by aliens (? genetically modified High Evolutionary type animal men?) so we are totally dependent on you to help flesh out the world for us.

It would also help to incorporate more background characters again. In the beginning there were lots of extras and now the plot is kinda centering around the Adventures of Juni and Rourke in the Big Empty Space Station. Just having interns, or technicians doing their day to day thing. Does this space station have rent-a-cops?

The newer strips are a step in the right direction though. The little potted plants in Damu's room, the decorative globe, the little shelf.

Wow, that got outta hand.

Also, is there ever going to be anything on you DA page? Hmmm?
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09/30/2007 12:36 am 
I don't really have the attention span to draw all the little background details all the time, which is why I tend towards more sparse settings. A part of that is due to my picky tendency to draw everything from scratch every time. I very rarely copy-paste things, even backgrounds.

I'm always envious of how most comics seem to have a great established setting with the barest minimum of actual place settings. Pinkerton and Narbonic are two examples which readily come to mind (the latter in particular because Shaenon is always pretty hard on herself for NOT drawing backgrounds, and yet Narbonic didn't suffer at all for it).

Another thing is I actually like the possibility that the reader fills in a lot of those details. Sometimes I feel like I'd be better-suited as a novelist than a cartoonist, but whenever I try to read installment-based fiction online my eyes glaze over and I lose track of it and as a result I can't really imagine that ever being a very popular thing on the Internet.

Also, I don't want to bog things down like science fiction tends to be. I do like to give little hints in the popup text though -- pretty much everything I say there actually is canonical. FWIW.
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09/30/2007 06:51 pm 
Well Pinkerton Park can get away with the extremely minimal backgrounds because it is a funny animal gag comic. They could set it in the zoo or the jungle some other planet and it wouldn't really affect anything too much other than the species involved.

I don't know what you are talking about with Narbonic though, it has background out the wazoo.

You don't have to get ridiculously talky about the sci-fi aspects. Just have the characters mention it like us normal humans would "Dammit, the optic network is acting up again" "I am going out to pick up some ion cells, do you need anything?" "Hmmm, transit grid construction over by such and such" And the best part, you wouldn't even have to draw the construction grid or optic net. Win/Win.

The cloning technology going on with Juni is probably the only aspect you might need to really flesh out since it currently appears to be one of the major cruxes of the story. But maybe it isn't! Hell, I only know what I have read and I ain't no mind reader.
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09/30/2007 06:58 pm 
Narbonic's backgrounds are very minimal. I mean, seriously.

I've tried to write the dialog in a way that people would talk when they're actually in that world. The technology is transparent to them, and isn't the focus. The only thing that needs to be said about the mind-cloning technology is that it was used to copy Juni's brain patterns - which Sam did explain, although it was heavily obscured by demiJuni's aleatoric ranting. Very Happy

(I made sure to put it into the transcription though.)
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