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April 23, 2012

Cold-brewed tea soda ()

by fluffy at 2:48 PM

A while ago I got a SodaStream water carbonator to replace my slowly-failing iSi siphon. While I haven't used any of SodaStream's own flavor syrups (as I have heard they are generally nasty, and all of them use sucralose which tastes bad and whose health "benefits" are questionable at best), I have of course made several bottles of soda flavored using Torani syrups. However, I found those to be a bit sickeningly-sweet, not to mention overpriced, but after a bit of experimenting I discovered a very simple means of making soda which is quite delicious and also much healthier: herbal tea!

Basically, after carbonating a 1L bottle as best as you can, put two herbal teabags in (I usually remove the tags and use chopsticks to remove them) and let it brew overnight. If the tea you selected isn't sweet enough, you can add a couple tablespoons of simple syrup or honey or the like afterwards.

I find that Tazo's herbal teas work very well; their orange blossom and passionfruit teas are way too fruity and sweet for use as a hot tea, but as a soda flavoring they're perfect, and zero-calorie, too.

Stash's lemon-ginger tea is also pretty good as a ginger ale surrogate, although that needs quite a lot of sweetener. (I've also found that it doesn't hold its carbonation very well.) Of course, for ginger ale there are better ways to brew it (which involve actual fermentation)

Comments

#14795 HeuristicsInc 04/24/2012 08:07 am
Interesting idea. This way you can also adjust the amount of flavor separately from the sweetener, which is beneficial.
One thought: you might find a wider variety of ginger etc. teas at an Asian grocery (if you can figure out what the labels say).
-bill
#14796 fluffy 04/24/2012 08:31 am
Probably, but it's easy to just make your own ginger syrup from actual ginger. You could do the syrup creation from the first part of Alton's recipe, for example, and just add it to the carbonated water.
#14799 Ostrich 04/25/2012 10:46 am
I keep intending to get a soda siphon, but haven't done so yet. What I'd really like is an old Victorian Gas-o-Gene.
#14800 fluffy 04/25/2012 10:49 am
That'll look nice illuminated by your carbon-filiament light bulbs.

Also I love the Wikipedia description:

It consisted of two linked glass globes surrounded by a wicker or wire protective mesh because they tended to explode.
#14805 Ostrich 04/25/2012 02:04 pm
fluffy:
It consisted of two linked glass globes surrounded by a wicker or wire protective mesh because they tended to explode.


That tendency to explode, while undoubtedly enhancing the Gas-o-Gene experience, also makes finding surviving units rather a challenge.
#14806 fluffy 04/25/2012 02:06 pm
I wonder if there would be a market for Gas-O-Genes made of modern construction. iSi siphons can withstand quite a lot of pressure internally, and in this modern day and age we also know about these things called "pressure release valves."
#14807 Ostrich 04/25/2012 02:15 pm
fluffy:
I wonder if there would be a market for Gas-O-Genes made of modern construction.


I've idly considered building my own, yeah Smile
#14808 fluffy 04/25/2012 02:20 pm
I wonder if the acid/vinegar carbonation method is more cost-effective than the pre-filled CO2 cartridges that both of my home carbonators use. The SodaStream in particular is way more efficient than the iSi, if only because SodaStream uses one large canister that holds 60 liters' worth of CO2 while the iSi uses the little disposable canisters that are only good for 1L (at best). I think the SodaStream costs around 25 cents per liter (maybe more the way I do it since I prefer to overcarbonate) while iSi costs a minimum of 70 cents per liter.
#14809 Ostrich 04/25/2012 06:04 pm
fluffy:
I wonder if the acid/vinegar carbonation method is more cost-effective than the pre-filled CO2 cartridges


Without even running the numbers, I strongly doubt if a Gas-o-Gene could compete on cost effectiveness. The people who make those little CO2 cylinders are undoubtedly using CO2 that condensed as a natural byproduct during the distillation of oxygen and nitrogen from the atmosphere for use as welding and medical gasses. CO2 freezes out as dry ice before either of those gases liquifies, and the commercial demand for oxygen is way larger, so it's essentially a waste product.
#14810 fluffy 04/25/2012 06:16 pm
Neat! I had no idea.
#14812 Ostrich 04/25/2012 07:37 pm
Original pulled for a very stupid error - corrected version:

CO2 is about 44g/M. So, 0.18M in an eight gram cylinder. 100 Leland soda chargers retail for about $37 (amazon.com), so $0.37 per cylinder, or $2.04/M.

The wikipedia article specified using baking soda and tartaric acid. Tartaric acid is about 150g/M. Baking soda is about 84g/M. Tartaric acid has two 'organic acid' functional groups, so one molecule of tartaric acid will react with two molecules of baking soda. It should be apparent, therefore, that 0.5M of tartaric acid combined with 1M of baking soda (with some water for the reaction to run in) will yield about 1M CO2.

We don't need chemically pure reagents for this - we can use USPS (food and drug) grade. Tartaric acid retails for about $10/lb, baking soda for about $2/lb (nuts.com).

1lb = about 454g, so (75g tartaric acid/(454g tartaric acid/$10))=$1.65, and 84g baking soda/(454g baking soda/$2))=$0.37.

You're going to pay, then, about $2.02 per mole of CO2 evolved, or about $0.37 for 0.18M CO2. Astonishly, the Gas-o-Gene costs just about the same to operate.
#14813 fluffy 04/25/2012 07:47 pm
Jeeze, where did you find the canisters that cheap on Amazon? The last time I bought any the best I could find was $.70 each!

SodaStream is still a bit cheaper at ostensibly $.25 per liter's worth of CO2, although I'm not sure how much to believe that number.
#14814 Ostrich 04/26/2012 02:05 pm
fluffy:
Jeeze, where did you find the canisters that cheap on Amazon? The last time I bought any the best I could find was $.70 each!


http://www.amazon.com/100-Leland-Soda-Chargers-Seltzer/dp/B00304SLAO
#14916 HeuristicsInc 07/10/2012 10:03 am
I had sodastream at my friend's house, and it was pretty good. my wife said i couldn't buy it now, but maybe shortly Smile
-bill
#14917 HeuristicsInc 07/10/2012 10:05 am
I should add that I don't mind the flavor of sucralose (except in hot drinks) so I thought the diet was fine.